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  1. So, Woody, since you are so sure yuo have the right answers, surely you’ll post that lovely long numbered post you sent me here on your blog? I’ve had an excellent time showing how wrong you were in it. You have shown yourself not to be right at all and you have shown yourself to have no problem using lies about what actual scientists say with all of your quote-mining. You are more than welcome to come back to my blog and defend yourself.

    1. I would, but I’m sure I’ve better prospects than a lynx. “Long numbered post”? You mean the JPG? I’m sure I’ve got it some where. I’ve purposed to bear no lie against the truth (John 14:6). I’m sure I have the right answers, just not all of them. I cannot match your adimant faith in evolutionism, surely.
      Should not the multitude of words be answered? and should a man full of talk be justified? Should thy lies make men hold their peace? and when thou mockest, shall no man make thee ashamed? For thou hast said, My doctrine is pure, and I am clean in thine eyes. But oh that God would speak, and open his lips against thee; And that he would shew thee the secrets of wisdom, that they are double to that which is! Know therefore that God exacteth of thee less than thine iniquity deserveth. (Job 11:2-6)
      I’d reccomend the entire CSS series to your viewing. If you do not find it tecnicle enough you may view CSE 101 as well.

      1. Yes, that jpg that you said you would put up on this blog and have videos to accompany it. Unsuprisingly, you have done neither.

        You’ve lied, bore false witness against other by trying to change the meaning of their words and have yet to show any evidence for your supposed dinosaurs in the tuff and in the diatomaceous earth. I have the evidence of that and it is amusing when you think your god knows everything but that you can hide intentional nonsense from him. You make a very good TrueChristian don’t you? With your lack of ability to show that you are any more right than the next Christian. I’d say look up Romans 3, where your god hates even those who think they lie *for* him. Your doctrine is not pure no matter how many times you might claim it. And golly yes, it would be great if your god would open its lips and actually do something. But alas, it is as impotent and imaginary as any other god. I’ve watched the lies by Hovind and have enjoyed revealing them as the poor things they are. It’s so fun to watch a Christian intentionally lie because if your god was what you claim, then hell would be too full of Christian liars to ever hold a honest atheist.

      2. I put it on my papers section a very long time ago.
        http://ryftkohiahpapers.wordpress.com/29-2/
        Should not the multitude of words be answered? and should a man full of talk be justified? Should thy lies make men hold their peace? and when thou mockest, shall no man make thee ashamed? For thou hast said, My doctrine is pure, and I am clean in thine eyes. But oh that God would speak, and open his lips against thee; And that he would shew thee the secrets of wisdom, that they are double to that which is! Know therefore that God exacteth of thee less than thine iniquity deserveth…If iniquity be in thine hand, put it far away, and let not wickedness dwell in thy tabernacles. (Job 11:2-6, 14)
        Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. (Matthew 5:11-12)
        God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. (Romans 3:4)

      3. Ah, Woody, you claim that you posted it a “very long time ago”. well not so much since one can get an idea when you posted it from the url. And golly, posting the same bible quotes again. Yes, Woody, that sure does make them more true. :chuckle: Let’s see, that quote from Job is from his buddy Zophar and if one reads all of Job, your god says that Zophar is wrong. That’s the problem with cherry picking your bible Woody, you don’t know what it actually says.

        And Woody, people call you wrong since you are wrong, not because you are of a certain religion, Claiming that your bible says anyone who says you are wrong makes you right automatically is hilarious. You very much want to be martyr and apostle. But we know that you are neither since you have no magic powers like Jesus promised. If your god exists, you have been found wanting. And Romans 3, good one, how about we post the entire pertinent passage? “God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

        5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

        6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

        7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

        8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.”

        You’ve been proven a liar, Woody. You have attempted to alter quotes from scientists to make them say things they never would. You have been unable to provide evidence for your claims about dinosaurs in the tuff or in diatomaceous earth. You have lied when you have claimed that all evidence for evolutionary theory is false and that it supposedly has been proven so. You have not provided any evidence. Your creationist friends have lied about having advanced degrees that supposedly make them trustworthy. You have tried to claim that a degree from an unaccredited school is just as valid as one from an accredited one. I have shown all of this. You can defend yourself or you can slink off and hope that every one doesn’t notice. Unfortunately, they already have.

        Good-bye, Woody. I know you’ve lied, other do; and if your god exists, he does too.

      4. I’ve probably read Job 30 times and memerized chapter 41 in 11th grade.
        God does not say that Jobs friends were “wrong” (though this is what several pastors, with whome I disagree, say). God never says in the Bible that they were wrong, only that they did not “repent in dust and ashes” after God showed himself, for the sopke of things that they knew not just like Job did.
        And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath. Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job. (Job 42:7-8)
        Job even agrees withwhat they say in Job 12:2-3.
        What? Now person with half a clam for a brain thinks that regection of his ideas makes him right. Notice: Your not wresting Allah or Shieva, right? You hate that Book because “it chaps your hyde”.
        For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. (John 3:20)
        For vain man would be wise, though man be born like a wild ass’s colt. (Job 11:12)
        The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. (Psalm 9:17)
        I don’t want to be a martyr, but that would be nice to be in heaven.
        He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. (Matt. 10:39)
        Magic powers are of the devil as seen to day even in some chruches. Apostles’ power left after the NT was completed, apparently.
        Liars are sinners (But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. [Rev. 21:8]), but they can de forgiven (But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. [I John 1:7]).
        I know of no place where I have deliberatly lied or promoted another’s. Not one (probably because I havn’t read any of the posts you’ev made on your blog about me. I have no reason to lie. Neither did Paul in Romans. (But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. [I Cor. 2:14])
        Watch CSS Part 4 for the tuff thing and you can find the diotomatious earth quaries anywhere out west (see CSS Part 6, I think).
        Try watching CSS Part 4 and retain your faith in Homology recapitulates phylogony (spelling?), homologus bone structures, the evolution of bacteria, benefitial mutation (evolutionism’s Ark of the Covonent), the Colorado River’s carving of the Grand Canyon, Lucy, Pe King Man, etc. Each is not only a sick evidence but dead!
        Thanks for the revolution against the tyranny of Woddy Armstrong. Slink off kind of makes me sound like a lynx that just got its ears slaped back. But I don’t like cats much. πŸ™‚
        Advanced degrees are a lie? Why cannot Christian schools teach exactly?
        Should not the multitude of words be answered? and should a man full of talk be justified? (Job 11:2)
        But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves,… (Luke 7:30)
        The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors. As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly…. Burning lips and a wicked heart are like a potsherd covered with silver dross.(Proverbs 26:10-11,23)
        The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. (Psalm 9:17)

  2. Yes, Woody, it is happening to my sorrow. All to do with abandoning the KJV and embracing corrupted Scripture. We truly are in the last. “lukewarm” church age, a church so weak it can barely testify for His righteousness. I am grateful to you for standing in these last days.

    1 Peter 3:14-16

    King James Version (KJV)

    14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

    15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

    16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

    And to the young lady commenting before me, evolution is a mathematical impossibility, which you would know if you studied the laws of probability. Even the atheist hero, Dr. Carl Sagan, estimated the chances of man evolving at roughly 1 in 10 to the 2 billionth power. That is a 1 followed by two billion zeros. Mathematicians agree that any odds beyond 1 in 10 to the 50th is virtually impossible. Dawkins now believes that life is too complex “and beautifully designed” to have evolved, therefore it must have been brought here by superior alien intelligence.

    If evolution can not be observable, and repeatable – it is not true science. As not one example of a transitional form has ever been provided, and not one example of a left handed amino acids (L – amino acids – the building blocks of proteins) has ever being produced in even the finest laboratory simulation, that leaves evolution as a completely nebulous theory, with not even basic foundational science to support it.

    1. So, sage, for evolution to be nebulous, as you so dutifully claim…how do you explain the overwhelming consensus of scientists who fully support the theory? Are they all mistaken? Is it a massive conspiracy? Are they angry at god?

      By the way, your amino acid comment is erroneous. Evolution is not a model of the origin of life. It’s a model of the evolution of species.

      And which part of this study is bad science?

      http://myxo.css.msu.edu/ecoli/

      1. Sequencing is not creation. It is mapping something that already exists. I used the example of the L- amino acid because all life is assembled from proteins, even bacteria such as E-Coli. Without the L-amino acids, no life. Only D-amino acids have been simulated in labs, which DO NOT permit life.

        To produce one DNA molecule, over 75 different proteins are required. Over 20 different kinds of amino acids are in the make- up of the proteins of ALL living things, which are linked together end-to -end to form a macromolecule. Just an average protein has a string of 500 amino acids – of which one has NEVER been synthesized in a lab. The 500 amino acids that make up an average sized protein, can be arranged in over 1 x 10 the 600th power variations. That number is infinitely larger than the total number of atomic particles in the known universe.

        The simplest bacteria, has 600 different protein molecules. The chance that one of these 600 protein molecules could form by the random arrangement of the proper amino acids is less than 10 to the 527th power. Quite impossible.

        I have no argument with natural selection, which selects within specie, laterally, more appropriately termed micro -evolution. (case in point – the incredible variation within the “dog kind” demonstrates artificial selection, but the same principle applies) But the evolution from “kind to kind,” macro-evolution – ie: dinosaurs to birds, ape to man, is mathematically impossible.

        Show me the transitional form – just one. You can say that my biochemical analysis is erroneous, yet you fail to point out where it is so. The reason so many scientists follow the evolutionary model is provided in the Word of God. I would say it is more of a case of “The Emperor’s New Clothes.” Their hearts are “darkened.” And. . . they are . . . foolish!

        Romans 1:18-23

        King James Version (KJV)

        18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

        19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

        20 For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

        21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

        22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

        23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

      2. I’m not disputing the role of amino acids. I’m saying we’re not discussing the origin of life. We’re discussing evolution. These are separate disciplines.

        The fact that we observe specific protein chains in animals means absolutely nothing. You mentioned that there’s more amino acid combination possibilities than total atoms in the universe. How does this decrease the chance that one of those combinations would yield a protein present in, say, E. coli? It would seem to me that the theory of evolution would support the idea that where there are greater possible combinations of amino acids and, thus, proteins, the greater propensity for life to evolve.

        And I’ll concede we don’t yet understand the origin of life itself. But this isn’t the first time we haven’t fully understood a portion of the natural world. I don’t see a compelling reason to say “God did it” just yet.

      3. “The transitional form”? Aetiocetus and Pakicetus are 2 of many hundreds required for anything but punctuated equilibrium. Both were very fragmentary finds (I think it was the first that was only a part of a skull and some teeth). Evolutionists were sure their feet were very large, even though no foot bones were found.
        Again watch the CSS by Hovind. Most answers to evolutionism are in it. You cannot tell if the bone in the dirt is the ancestor of anything. All you know from the find is that it died. It is impossible to tell if it had any kids, let alone different kids and I’m sure you do conceed this point. If you’re not defending a final authority (which is surely not evolutionism) you are cirtinly allowed to abandon any evidences which are not factual, right?
        Thy terribleness hath deceived thee, and the pride of thine heart, O thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, that holdest the height of the hill: though thou shouldest make thy nest as high as the eagle, I will bring thee down from thence, saith the LORD. (Jeremiah 49:16)

  3. On Archaeopteryx – no evolutionary biologist of my acquaintance (and I know a few, ) now believes that Archaeopteyx is a transitional form. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110727/full/news.2011.443.html

    And Aetiocetus is an acknowledged extinct species, not a transitional form. http://factforge.net/resource/dbpedia/Aetiocetus

    Even Lucy has been debunked, as I’m sure you are aware. How can you simply quantify the origin of life as “a portion of the natural world?” Do you realize what you are saying? A portion? Do you realize that if the moon was even 1/5 closer off its present position – the continents would be completely submerged twice daily? If not for the moon, we would have a run away rotation rate with 500 mile an hour winds? Or if the moon was 1/5 farther, all marine life would die from stagnant water. Oh, and we would likely drop dead as well from lack of oxygen provided by marine plants. If the earth was just 5% closer to the sun the oceans would boil over to nothing. 5% farther, the oceans would freeze solid. How do the gas giant planets land in the perfect position to protect the earth from the most damaging solar winds and space debris?

    Why oh why is the ancient Book of Job, so hard for you to believe? What creatures are being described in these two chapters?

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%2040&version=KJV

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%2041&version=KJV

    I mean this in all sincerity. May the Lord God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, open your eyes to the only Truth there is. I pray that you come to know the Savior through the study of the world He created. From former atheist, and renowned physicist Frank Tipler:

    “. . .the central claims of Judea-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my special branch of physics. . . . which is a testable physical theory for an omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent God who will one day in the far future resurrect every single one of us to live forever in an abode which is in all essentials the Judeo-Christian Heaven. . .I will make no appeal, anywhere, to revelation. I shall appeal instead to the solid results of modern physical science.”

    http://129.81.170.14/~tipler/

    I have done my best to give you the Truth. It is up to you what you decide to do with it.

    Matthew 12:36
    But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

    fini

    sage

    1. Sage, your link regarding the Archaeopteryx in no way indicates it isn’t linked in an evolutionary chain. It merely means new evidence has bumped it place. Because that’s what happens in science: new evidence changes old ideas.

      Secondly, how would a particular species’ extinction disqualify it as a transitional form? Can you explain that please? I am confused. It would seem to me that most transitional species would be extinct…which is why the species they evolved into are what exist here and now.

      “Do you realize that if the moon was even 1/5 closer off its present position – the continents would be completely submerged twice daily?”

      Well, no kidding. And if our atmosphere was comprised of pure methane, we wouldn’t exist in that case either. By virtue of the anthropic principle, the way our world appears is precisely how it SHOULD appear for our form of life, and the other forms of life on Earth.

      “How do the gas giant planets land in the perfect position to protect the earth from the most damaging solar winds and space debris?”

      Again, the disposition of our solar system lent itself to the possibility of life on Earth. Conversely, the conditions that exist on Venus are not friendly to life. Why should I assume anything beyond what exists lends itself to our existence and not our existence is the product of a God?

      Actually…I will give you that. Let’s assume that is the case (and in fact I am sympathetic to the idea). Where it fails is your bridge to nowhere. That is, the utter failure to link the cosmos to the God of the Bible. That is, the creator of the universe to the petty, jealous, vindictive, whiny God of the Bible.

      And regarding Job? C’mon…you’re smarter than that. Ancient people have been writing about mythical beasts for thousands of years and, indeed, for centuries before the Bible. The Norse pagan writing about hammer-wielding Thor no more make him likely to exist than Job writing about big animals. If anything it appears Job had a distinct lack of creativity compared to his pagan buddies.

      Keep praying for me if you want. But, like most prayers, I am pretty sure its not going to work.

    2. I also want to illustrate a finer point:

      It is clear you don’t examine science to learn. You examine science to find holes in order to support the conclusion that you’ve already drawn: that the Earth and everything in it was created by God in six days.

      I don’t begin with a conclusion. I begin with questions. Science provides clues to these questions. You begin with a conclusion and then attempt to regress your experiences to fit that conclusion. If the experience and evidence contradict your conclusion, you dismiss the evidence. This is effectively the definition of irrationalism.

      Which approach do you think is more intellectually honest. Be objective.

      1. Woody – Believe it or not – I was writing for a political blog for quite some time. But as I warned the blog founder and owner what must needs happen – I ended up stepping ( or squashing to be more precise) on someone’s religious toes. (her’s) It was the same old battle – religion vs. salvation. I have wanted to start my own blog for some time now, but my husband thinks it will be too much for me. (he is usually right) I was spending 2-4 hours everyday just writing one article a day for that blog – over 300 hundred done solely by me. The anger was so intense she deleted everything I wrote! And, all of my comments. She did keep about a 1/3 of the home schooling articles I wrote, but the intensive Bible studies and work I did on drones and the NWO are in the trash. Ouch. I’m used to people getting mad at me, hence my email address, which you have. Here is a sample of my work, one of the seven she did not pitch. She is a political scientist and published author.

        http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/05/08/hints-for-home-schoolers-socialization/

        I even had my own page called “sage’s Bible study.” That’s all gone, and now there is a totally Roman Catholic centered theme to the blog, and even a new page called “Angels and Saints.” Good grief. I had hundreds of personal followers too, which she referred to as the “cult of sage.” They all dropped off, but the blog has picked up a lot of Catholics, when before it was a mixture of followers, (including Mormons and Masons – I know, no difference) most who were starved for the Word, not having any serious Bible study in their entire lives. You want to talk about lively debate!

        One article I wrote – “Transhumanism – The Quest to be Gods” was picked up by Steve Quayle, and he even referenced it on his radio show. 1000’s and 1000’s of hits. She threw that out. So now I just spend an hour a day lurking around various blogs and commenting where I think my particular expertise can add something to the conversation. Who knows what will happen? I have no problem waiting on the Lord’s direction. πŸ™‚

        Your sister in Christ Jesus,

        sage

      2. Wow. I am sorry to hear of the injustices. But, it is nice to know an expert.
        Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Ephesians 4:8)
        For by thee I have run through a troop; and by my God have I leaped over a wall. (Psalm 18:29)
        He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. (Revelation 3:22, see also 7-12)

  4. We are all objective. But the Bible still holds out. My lab time is all most up. Watch the CSS by Hovind; that’s eazy, right? We’ve a preconcieved idea, HOWEVER, this does not effect creation scientists’ data numbers of archeological discoveries. Evolutionists are notorious for this darwinism dogma tainting evidences (as with KBS tuft situations, living fossils [see patton video on The Armory], turvy fossils, polystrate fossils, etc.). Please watch perticularly CSS Part 4. See you then.

    The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. (Psalm 14:1)

    1. Woody, a little background might put things into context:

      I grew up in a fervently Christian home. I was not home schooled but we read from the Word every day and attended church every week. In fact, my father was (and still is) the organ player and has been since he was 15 so church was very much a fixture in my life.

      After I moved out I joined the military and then eventually went to college. I earned the nickname “Reverend” for my propensity to witness to people both in the military and in college. I will spare you the details but it is important to note that I didn’t come from a weak faith.

      But I am also a deeply rational person. And so as I began to read studies…volumes and volumes of studies…I realized that the scientists who published these findings were not on an anti-God rampage, they were simply publishing their observations. I then realized it would be irrational to reject their findings. Why? Because if they were, indeed, falsified…an anti-God conspiracy of unheard of, global, proportions would be going on. I don’t consider it rational to hold such an opinion.

      And there is no dogma in science. The best thing for a scientist to hear is that they’re wrong. Why? It means new curiosity, new answers, new searching. Just look at last summer. Scientists had predicted, for decades, the existence of the Higgs Boson particle…the field that gives the universe mass. Scientists were almost disappointed that their prediction was right! It would have been much more exciting to have to go back to the physics drawing board. Instead, the Standard Model was confirmed. Again.

      So I was convinced by testable data. Not dogma. Again, that is falsifiable evidence.

      So, no, I am not going to spend an hour listening to a nutjob like Hovind. I spend the first 20 years of my life “studying” that kind of drivel. I’ve got better, more exciting, and real things to learn now.

      1. If you are not willing to listen you have no buisness talking. Hovind is only a “nutjob” because you have no clue what he teaches. You make an attack he has not answered already (freely accessable to you and me). Your opinions have nothing to do with facts if you cannot answer opposition!
        Waste an hour, abandon your fear of there being a God that can send you to hell for being false.

      2. No, Woody, that was my point. I have EVERY idea he talks about. Did you not read the part where I grew up nearly the same as you? That fact of the matter is the earth is not 6k years old. Or 10k years old. It’s about 4.5 billion years old. And mankind is not descended from two sources of DNA. We know this. Even Christians get this…like Dr. Francis Collins, head of the Human Genome Project.

        So until you’re willing to be reasonable, I don’t see much of a point in discussing any matters. Because I don’t discuss matters with irrational people.

        Oh by the way, you can drop all the “fire and brimstone await me” nonsense. Every time each of you mention the threat of Hell, all I can think of is this: http://goo.gl/P0gZT

      3. The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. (Psalm 9:17)
        Sorry you could not stand the pressure.
        Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. (Matt. 3:21)
        And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. (Isaiah 66:24)
        Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. (Hebrews 10:38:39)
        But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven (Matthew 10:33)
        …he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:16)

      4. Didn’t even notice it. Sorry. 😦
        The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. (Psalm 9:17)
        But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven (Matthew 10:33)
        …he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:16)

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